Comments on: Dropping Acid – Muriatic & Hold Cleaning http://www.routesetter.com/2007/09/06/dropping-acid-muriatic-hold-cleaning/ Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:35:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Benky http://www.routesetter.com/2007/09/06/dropping-acid-muriatic-hold-cleaning/comment-page-1/#comment-1316 Benky Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:52:13 +0000 http://www.routesetter.com/2007/09/06/dropping-acid-muriatic-hold-cleaning/#comment-1316 Hello! BENKY GRIP WASH ist the first environmentally friendly and real hold cleaner special developed for cleaning the rubber, fat, liquide chalk and chalk from the holds. Just mix 10Liter Grip Wash with 10Liter water or 20Liter water and clean more than 990 hold per hour. And clean around 3000 holds with 30Liter Mixture. It depense on how dirty are the holds, how good are your bowls, how big are the holds, how much water do you loose while changing bowls, which hold company... WE CAN SAVE 22 400 000 LITER TRINKING WATER IN GERMANY PER YEAR. YOU CAN SAVE A LOT MORE IN THE USA, CANADA, ASIA... We have experiance and can give you any answer you want to ask. Just call me or write an e-mail to benky@soillholds.com 0049 171 688 0427 One person, 4 mason bowls (a 90Liter volume) 2 bowls with holes. -NO HIGH PRESURE CLEANER (800-5000USD COSTS) -NO NOISE -NO DIRTY COLD WORKING HOURS IN THE WINTER -NO GLOVES NEEDED but it´s better if you clean a lot -NO DANGER!!! -CLEAN HOLDS -SAVE MONEY -SAVE WATER -HAPPY CLIMBERS IN THE GYMS Go for it!!! BENKY GRIP WASH Hello!

BENKY GRIP WASH ist the first environmentally friendly and real hold cleaner special developed for cleaning the rubber, fat, liquide chalk and chalk from the holds.

Just mix 10Liter Grip Wash with 10Liter water or 20Liter water and clean more than 990 hold per hour. And clean around 3000 holds with 30Liter Mixture. It depense on how dirty are the holds, how good are your bowls, how big are the holds, how much water do you loose while
changing bowls, which hold company…

WE CAN SAVE 22 400 000 LITER TRINKING WATER IN GERMANY PER YEAR.

YOU CAN SAVE A LOT MORE IN THE USA, CANADA, ASIA…

We have experiance and can give you any answer you want to ask.
Just call me or write an e-mail to benky@soillholds.com
0049 171 688 0427

One person, 4 mason bowls (a 90Liter volume)
2 bowls with holes.
-NO HIGH PRESURE CLEANER (800-5000USD COSTS)
-NO NOISE
-NO DIRTY COLD WORKING HOURS IN THE WINTER
-NO GLOVES NEEDED but it´s better if you clean a lot
-NO DANGER!!!
-CLEAN HOLDS
-SAVE MONEY
-SAVE WATER
-HAPPY CLIMBERS IN THE GYMS
Go for it!!!

BENKY GRIP WASH

]]> By: slabdyno http://www.routesetter.com/2007/09/06/dropping-acid-muriatic-hold-cleaning/comment-page-1/#comment-568 slabdyno Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:47:08 +0000 http://www.routesetter.com/2007/09/06/dropping-acid-muriatic-hold-cleaning/#comment-568 Just a question: doesn't the chalk react with the acid solution somewhat neutralizing it as well? Also, the above recommended strength ratio of 10 parts water to 1 part acid is WAY stronger than is needed in practice to dissolve the chalk and rubber off holds. I usually add a couple of cups of acid to an entire utility sink of water and get clean holds. Just a question: doesn’t the chalk react with the acid solution somewhat neutralizing it as well?

Also, the above recommended strength ratio of 10 parts water to 1 part acid is WAY stronger than is needed in practice to dissolve the chalk and rubber off holds. I usually add a couple of cups of acid to an entire utility sink of water and get clean holds.

]]> By: breeze http://www.routesetter.com/2007/09/06/dropping-acid-muriatic-hold-cleaning/comment-page-1/#comment-546 breeze Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:15:31 +0000 http://www.routesetter.com/2007/09/06/dropping-acid-muriatic-hold-cleaning/#comment-546 We use vinegar and a scrub brush to clean our holds. We only turn over one route at a time rather than stripping whole walls, so volume wise, it's not a big deal. It takes a little longer to scrub each hold, but we can check for cracks at the same time. We have a dishwasher, but it doesn't do a good job, and no one likes unloading and reloading the dirty dishes before and after loading and unloadingholds. I thought we were the only ones that use vinager. Glad to see we're not. We use vinegar and a scrub brush to clean our holds. We only turn over one route at a time rather than stripping whole walls, so volume wise, it’s not a big deal. It takes a little longer to scrub each hold, but we can check for cracks at the same time.

We have a dishwasher, but it doesn’t do a good job, and no one likes unloading and reloading the dirty dishes before and after loading and unloadingholds.

I thought we were the only ones that use vinager. Glad to see we’re not.

]]> By: RhoadsClimbs http://www.routesetter.com/2007/09/06/dropping-acid-muriatic-hold-cleaning/comment-page-1/#comment-339 RhoadsClimbs Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:19:42 +0000 http://www.routesetter.com/2007/09/06/dropping-acid-muriatic-hold-cleaning/#comment-339 White Distilled Vinegar 5%. Much better than acid. I can wash with my bare hands and it cleans the same. White Distilled Vinegar 5%. Much better than acid. I can wash with my bare hands and it cleans the same.

]]> By: thestidham http://www.routesetter.com/2007/09/06/dropping-acid-muriatic-hold-cleaning/comment-page-1/#comment-333 thestidham Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:32:31 +0000 http://www.routesetter.com/2007/09/06/dropping-acid-muriatic-hold-cleaning/#comment-333 I was just curious if the chemical options for cleaning plastic holds would be effective on real rock? I don't intend to do so but the question just crossed my mind for problems out there that have aquired so much grease and chalk that there almost unclimbable. I would assume not but has anyone ever tried it? I was just curious if the chemical options for cleaning plastic holds would be effective on real rock? I don’t intend to do so but the question just crossed my mind for problems out there that have aquired so much grease and chalk that there almost unclimbable. I would assume not but has anyone ever tried it?

]]> By: Vincent Cocciolone http://www.routesetter.com/2007/09/06/dropping-acid-muriatic-hold-cleaning/comment-page-1/#comment-332 Vincent Cocciolone Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:31:16 +0000 http://www.routesetter.com/2007/09/06/dropping-acid-muriatic-hold-cleaning/#comment-332 I've set at gyms that use Muriatic Acid to clean their holds. Didn't like it (for all the reasons already mentioned) Especially working with hazardous chems. And you don't have to save the environment where you don't attack it. At my home gym we've been through a few dishwashers over the years. They work pretty good but take a lot of time to load the holds properly. And the cycle takes a long time too. A little over a year ago the gym got a power washer. I think it's the way to go for sure! It really shines at competition time when we have piles of holds that need cleaning. We put a bunch of 3" screws (shallow so the top sticks out about 2-1/4") into a 4x4 sheet of 3/4" plywood in a 6"-8" freehand grid... + a few screws on one side with more space for larger holds, and a few more on the other side closer together for foot-chips and smaller holds. With a short broomstick in one hand to control the holds, and the power washer in the other, one can clean the holds with quick precision. FASTER and BETTER than any other method I've tried. I've also found that if you pat dry the holds with a towel right after washing them, they can air dry from that point in about 10 minutes. (good for when you need that hold on a current piece) I suppose a hair drier would work even quicker but I haven't tried that yet. Oh how I love fresh clean holds! I’ve set at gyms that use Muriatic Acid to clean their holds. Didn’t like it (for all the reasons already mentioned)
Especially working with hazardous chems.
And you don’t have to save the environment where you don’t attack it.

At my home gym we’ve been through a few dishwashers over the years.
They work pretty good but take a lot of time to load the holds properly.
And the cycle takes a long time too.

A little over a year ago the gym got a power washer. I think it’s the way to go for sure! It really shines at competition time when we have piles of holds that need cleaning. We put a bunch of 3″ screws (shallow so the top sticks out about 2-1/4″) into a 4×4 sheet of 3/4″ plywood in a 6″-8″ freehand grid… + a few screws on one side with more space for larger holds, and a few more on the other side closer together for foot-chips and smaller holds. With a short broomstick in one hand to control the holds, and the power washer in the other, one can clean the holds with quick precision. FASTER and BETTER than any other method I’ve tried.

I’ve also found that if you pat dry the holds with a towel right after washing them, they can air dry from that point in about 10 minutes. (good for when you need that hold on a current piece) I suppose a hair drier would work even quicker but I haven’t tried that yet.

Oh how I love fresh clean holds!

]]> By: tsanger http://www.routesetter.com/2007/09/06/dropping-acid-muriatic-hold-cleaning/comment-page-1/#comment-331 tsanger Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:20:11 +0000 http://www.routesetter.com/2007/09/06/dropping-acid-muriatic-hold-cleaning/#comment-331 This was another great article. Lots of information that is accessible and useful to most gyms. I just reminded our manager about some of the safety concerns of using acid since it has slipped my mind over the past few years. I wanted to add that we dilute our acid a lot more than 10% and still get nice clean holds (Final concentration or 10% of the stock solution by the way?). We add about 1/3 to 1/2 of a gallon of acid, depending on how many holds are to be washed, to about 3-4 gallons of water in a large utility sink. We let the holds sit for 1-2 minutes and they come out perfectly clean. The ideas of using a power washer or car wash are great but are not practical to us. Thanks for pointing out how simple it is to neutralize an acid bath though. It makes for a very cheap way to save the environment and the plumbing. Th This was another great article. Lots of information that is accessible and useful to most gyms. I just reminded our manager about some of the safety concerns of using acid since it has slipped my mind over the past few years. I wanted to add that we dilute our acid a lot more than 10% and still get nice clean holds (Final concentration or 10% of the stock solution by the way?). We add about 1/3 to 1/2 of a gallon of acid, depending on how many holds are to be washed, to about 3-4 gallons of water in a large utility sink. We let the holds sit for 1-2 minutes and they come out perfectly clean.

The ideas of using a power washer or car wash are great but are not practical to us. Thanks for pointing out how simple it is to neutralize an acid bath though. It makes for a very cheap way to save the environment and the plumbing.

Th

]]> By: neuroshock http://www.routesetter.com/2007/09/06/dropping-acid-muriatic-hold-cleaning/comment-page-1/#comment-330 neuroshock Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:33:45 +0000 http://www.routesetter.com/2007/09/06/dropping-acid-muriatic-hold-cleaning/#comment-330 If you don't have a power washer, a readily available water source, or the space to do it in, an option I've successfully used is to find someone with an open-bed pickup truck, fill the back with holds, and make a trip to the local DIY car wash with power washers. A bit of effort, time, and money but not too much and the results are worth it. If you don’t have a power washer, a readily available water source, or the space to do it in, an option I’ve successfully used is to find someone with an open-bed pickup truck, fill the back with holds, and make a trip to the local DIY car wash with power washers. A bit of effort, time, and money but not too much and the results are worth it.

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