http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ Just another bbPress community en-US Sat, 04 Feb 2012 17:42:58 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.routesetter.com/forum/search.php http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/how-hard-could-it-be-right#post-5541 Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:12:57 +0000 Cranky 5541@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>Foam and Vincent, you are probably right. By the time I get done ordering, shaping, and screwing things up, I will have a lot of time and money spent on mediocre holds at best. It's just something I always want to try.</p> <p> Consider it on my hold bucket list. </p> <p>LOL </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/how-hard-could-it-be-right#post-5540 Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:24:18 +0000 foamdust 5540@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>It isn't brain surgery, for sure.</p> <p>I guess I liken this to building a nice gym, then trying to cheese out and not hire professional setters to save money. The owner thinks they can do it, so why hire setters?</p> <p>Home made holds will look, home made. If my gym members were paying a premium to climb / workout there, I think they should have nice looking holds to climb on.</p> <p>DZ</p> <p>P.S. - Please keep all of your receipts from your shaping / molding / casting endeavors and then see how many holds you could have purchased for the money. You might be surprised. ( Also track your hours, and give yourself a nice hourly too! ) </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/how-hard-could-it-be-right#post-5538 Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:30:10 +0000 Vincent 5538@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>"two handed jugs" ... lol </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/how-hard-could-it-be-right#post-5537 Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:30:05 +0000 Vincent 5537@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>Making climbing holds imho...<br /> It isn't hard to do...<br /> but it sure isn't easy to do it well.<br /> I encourage you to try it because it is cool and fun!<br /> And I think you'll come to appreciate even more, the work of others who make holds as a profession... a.k.a. the "professionals" </p> <p>The methods on that site are not a bad starting point, but there are quite a few ways they can be improved upon.<br /> Especially if you plan on doing it to save money. ;-) </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/health-insurance-for-gym-employees#post-5536 Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:35:27 +0000 WP 5536@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>Thanks a lot, Jesse. </p> <p>Can anyone share the names of specific plans their gym is offering? We'd be especially interested in people's experience in California. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/health-insurance-for-gym-employees#post-5533 Fri, 03 Feb 2012 04:26:36 +0000 jesse 5533@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>yes for full time employees if its in your budget, if it is not in your budget then shoot for that to be a goal. for part time employees no, it is like most jobs out there that have benefits. they offer them to full time and/or salary positions only, it is rare when a part time employee is granted benefits. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/how-hard-could-it-be-right#post-5532 Fri, 03 Feb 2012 04:22:14 +0000 jesse 5532@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>I just started molding and casting holds about a 2 weeks ago with my first casted holds 1 week ago. i shaped a little over the last 6 months after i purchased my hold making material from a website. all the info i got on how to do this was from this website <a href="http://www.makehandholds.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.makehandholds.com</a> and they give all the tutorials, volume calculator, and products you need to get started. they use a non toxic and virtually odorless urethane but you still wear a mask to keep fumes out of your respiratory system. it is easy and fun, get some green floral foam from walmart and start shaping. I hope this helps. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/how-hard-could-it-be-right#post-5530 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:29:50 +0000 Vincent 5530@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>I like beer! And two handed jugs. :-)</p> <p>Consider also... You will have to pay to have the materials shipped to you anyway. And the weight of the materials required to make the holds is more than the weight of the holds themselves. :-0 </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/health-insurance-for-gym-employees#post-5528 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 03:40:07 +0000 WP 5528@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>Do climbing gym employees tend to have health insurance offered to them by the gym? Do those of you who are climbing gym owners out there just insure yourself and your family, or do you offer your employees an insurance package? </p> <p>Any information on this would be appreciated. Thanks. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/how-hard-could-it-be-right#post-5525 Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:13:37 +0000 Cranky 5525@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>The reason I began to look into making holds is not complicated. a. once you have been a setter and climber for a while it is only natural to be curious about other aspects of setting including shaping. b. The cost of holds that are big enough to use in roofs and as matchable jugs is very high on a per-hold basis especially with the shipping. I hate to pay $15-$30 per hold for jugs that we need for beginner routes. Producing a set of jugs in house would not change the fact the we order holds from at least a half dozen companies on a regular basis. It just means we spend more money on nice features, and the sweet premium holds that I do not pretend to have the ability to make. If people have advice on how to do it, great. If people don't want to help, no problem. If someone decides to have a stoke about it, good luck. </p> <p>btw I have made both beer and wine. Beer was good, wine sucked but the experience is always worthwhile.</p> <p>Cheers<br /> Cranky. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/how-hard-could-it-be-right#post-5524 Wed, 01 Feb 2012 21:19:52 +0000 Nold 5524@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>Bottom line holds are expensive. People are just looking to try and get holds at a cheaper price. Acorneau put it perfectly. The people trying to make their own holds are probably making them for their own woodys and quality isn't a huge issue. Anything that will support their weight will work. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/free-climbing-holds-really#post-5523 Wed, 01 Feb 2012 21:03:05 +0000 acorneau 5523@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>Just ordered a large sample pack. Looking forward to seeing what kind of interesting shapes I get! </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/how-hard-could-it-be-right#post-5522 Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:51:14 +0000 acorneau 5522@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>Ease up there, Foamy.</p> <p>Like you with hold making, I work in a creative-based micro-industry where all the tools are becoming easily available to anyone with a willingness to seek them out. It seems like every Bubba and his dog is trying to learn in a couple of hours (or have a piece of software do for them) what I've spent the last 12 years practicing full time.</p> <p>Just let it go and don't worry about the people who want to try it out. They'll either figure out that what they can do on their own isn't commercial-grade but is good enough for themselves -OR- that they really can't do as good a job as the Big Boys and will pay their money for the real deal.</p> <p>Either way it's not worth getting worked up about it. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/free-climbing-holds-really#post-5521 Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:10:48 +0000 Element Climbing 5521@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>stoked,</p> <p>Thanks for the great feedback. We put quite a bit of effort into updating our website late last year; glad to hear it's having the intended effect. Also, it's good to be on your radar. We're working on a number of great new shapes that will be available soon.</p> <p>Stay tuned!</p> <p>Happy Setting / Happy Climbing</p> <p>The Element Climbing Team<br /> Toll Free: 877.735.3636<br /> <a href="http://www.elementclimbing.com">elementclimbing.com</a> </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/how-hard-could-it-be-right#post-5518 Wed, 01 Feb 2012 02:05:08 +0000 foamdust 5518@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>I'm just really baffled by people who think that making holds is just taking a chunk of foam, forming a jug, getting a mold of it, then cast a million parts.</p> <p>Would you make your own surfboard because you didn't want to spend the money on a decent one ( which wont last forever and you'll have to buy another someday anyway )</p> <p>Or sew your own parka because Arc'teryx is a little spendy for just a waterproof "sweater" that you could probably make yourself.</p> <p>Just realize that certain things cost money for a reason. Quality of goods, time and effort spent in engineering these products, etc.</p> <p>What makes you think that you can make a decent product just because you found all of the "tools" needed to do so. </p> <p>Ever try to make wine? I wouldn't dare even though I'm pretty sure I could get my hands on most of the stuff needed to do so.</p> <p>Keep the industry alive, support hold companies. Or else throw your hat in the ring and start your own company. </p> <p>DZ </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/free-climbing-holds-really#post-5517 Wed, 01 Feb 2012 00:14:48 +0000 stoked 5517@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>got my home sample of holds in the mail today, nice little selection. was impressed with the usability of the Element site, and the holds look really well-made and feel good. thanks Element, great idea to get your holds out there, I for one will be looking at your products more closely in the future, whereas before now you weren't even really on my radar. thanks again </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/how-hard-could-it-be-right#post-5516 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 23:40:06 +0000 GeorgeR 5516@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>Polyurethane has its ups and downs, and if you don't know how to properly work with it I can almost guarantee a lot of downs.</p> <p>Listen to Foamdust I think he's been down this road. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/how-hard-could-it-be-right#post-5506 Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:23:33 +0000 foamdust 5506@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>Leave the setting to the Professionals.<br /> Leave the hold making to the Professionals as well.</p> <p>DZ </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/dress-code-1#post-5504 Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:08:29 +0000 Nold 5504@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>The only reason I take my shirt off is when I want to wear it home. I would rather not wear a sweat soaked shirt for 45 minutes on the drive home. This is of course if I forget a change of clothes. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/how-hard-could-it-be-right#post-5503 Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:26:43 +0000 Nold 5503@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>I have heard that you can take a bucket of semi wet sand, dig a hole as the shape of hold, then fill the hold with your resin. Just a basic idea of course. An idea I have never tried either. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/gym-route-database-software-open-source-alternatives#post-5496 Sun, 29 Jan 2012 05:17:16 +0000 Aaron Gibson 5496@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>I made some progress have stalled out for the time being due to some other things that have come up - so the route management software idea took a backseat for the time being. I still am interested in producing something and believe that there is a viable market - albeit a very specialized one. </p> <p>I am a bit deterred by the amount of "online time" that might be required by some of the solutions I found. For example, the bar-code/QR code idea is an interesting one but still a bit cumbersome as a climber to have to take snapshots with your cell phone to log a route, view details of a route, comment, etc. I guess it's an okay add-on for some but not really something I'd use. </p> <p>The key is to make it functional, easy to use/manage, and fun - and not make it too bloated. And certainly NOT expensive. I think most software producers are likely to over-price their product for the market and that would be a big pitfall.</p> <p>I am going to check out Climb Check </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/bosch-impact-drivers#post-5494 Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:54:54 +0000 Brannon 5494@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>I have been using the same 12v Bosch impact and driver (they came as a set from amazon for $140) for 3+ years and I have done nothing but try and convince others to buy them. The impact driver is capable of driving a 5"x1/2" lag bolt into two 2x4's without a pilot hole...plenty of power for setting. Batteries last a long time and charge fast. Both drivers have been dropped from height, used heavily, and generally abused within normal gym wear and tear and still crank like they came out of the box.</p> <p>There are several threads on RS.com that they are mentioned in. Several others have equally good reviews of the Bosch set. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/how-hard-could-it-be-right#post-5493 Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:48:07 +0000 Cranky 5493@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>I am thinking polyurathane if it is less toxic than regular resin, and can find in around. I am not looking to ship the holds. I want to use them in the gyms I set in so there would be no shipping. I agree that 100 holds that are exactly the same might get old but spread out among 130 routes it may be ok. Anyone have some resources in terms of videos or companies to try for the mold and the urathane? </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/how-hard-could-it-be-right#post-5492 Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:32:47 +0000 GeorgeR 5492@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>Depends on what you want to make it out of. If you use a cheap resin it might no be a terrible idea but the holds wont last very long. Making the mold will make or break the project, if you don't do it right on something big it can cost you more than just buying something. Making holds is fun, but start small so mistakes don't cost much. </p> <p>How big are you thinking and what do you want it made out of???? </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/how-hard-could-it-be-right#post-5491 Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:01:56 +0000 Vincent 5491@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>It can be done.<br /> The drawback however would be that in order to cover the costs of dev and production, you'd have to make at least a hundred of each shape. That can get lame fast!<br /> You could design the mold so that it is somewhat formable to vary the shapes but that is a bit trickier than you'd imagine. You won't find to many variations that'll work so well as the original shape.<br /> If you've got some extra money it's an interesting project to try. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/how-hard-could-it-be-right#post-5490 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:55:54 +0000 Cranky 5490@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>tongue in cheek of course. </p> <p>The price of buying big holds like jugs and then shipping them is so high that I wonder how hard it would be to make a shape or two to mold and then pour just to use in the gym. No intention of being a company, and making complex designs, just a basic jug which can be reproduced for easy routes.</p> <p>Please point out why this is terrible idea, (including toxicity of fumes and a vast inexperience) or if it is not that hard to do, let me know about your experiences.</p> <p>thanks<br /> Cranky </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/bosch-impact-drivers#post-5489 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:46:32 +0000 Cranky 5489@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>I never used the Bosch, I have a mikita but you might consider 14V. The 12V might be under powered. Best to get some responses before you buy. Have you looked into the sockets? I know that someone posted a part number for Grainger but I don't remember the number.</p> <p>good luck. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/old-stone-age-shapes-wishlist#post-5488 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:42:58 +0000 smokeNmirrors 5488@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>Nice, I need to get our gym to look at EP again. The lack of urethane was what was stopping us before. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/old-stone-age-shapes-wishlist#post-5487 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:28:41 +0000 Sander 5487@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>A new Titan is in the works. It will be out this year...maybe in the next 3 months. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/old-stone-age-shapes-wishlist#post-5486 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:14:42 +0000 ejw 5486@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>A Urethane Titan would definitely be amazing. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/free-climbing-holds-really#post-5485 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:05:57 +0000 AndyL 5485@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>yeah Home Depot and Lowe's charge a retarded amount for bolts. This place has the best prices: <a href="http://www.mcmaster.com/#socket-head-cap-screws/=fz8txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.mcmaster.com/#socket-head-cap-screws/=fz8txt</a> </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/upcoming-public-clinics#post-5484 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:56:02 +0000 acorneau 5484@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p><img src="http://worldofelfi.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/a-bunny-demotivational-poster-1247260960.jpg" /> </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/gym-route-database-software-open-source-alternatives#post-5483 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:30:10 +0000 ClimbTyler 5483@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>This is of interest to me. I've been looking at ClimbFind and it's seems as though users can "check in" to routes you've put up by barcoding them. It would be great to be able to use that along with being able to export the info to a database and catalogue your routes. I'll keep an eye on this thread for sure. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/upcoming-public-clinics#post-5481 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:41:27 +0000 Donovan Craig 5481@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>ahhh can we get back to the bunny with the pancake on its head... Im really interested. </p> http://www.routesetter.com/forum/topic/upcoming-public-clinics#post-5480 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:03:38 +0000 Nold 5480@http://www.routesetter.com/forum/ <p>Wonderful information. Thank you. </p>